First: *whispers* people who wrote SGA scenario were not in any danger, they just sat in perfect safety and wrote the stuff which made my physically sick a couple of times. ;) ________________________________________
Well, I guess I'm weird. Morals are not discussed in my family. That's why watching SGA I often can only wave my hands and open and close my mouth silently - I can't put the obvious in words. :) (Why wouldn't you read somebody's letter? Because it's somebody's? - dead circle!)
I never heard any member of my family saying... 'stealing is bad'. In my family it's not bad - it's insane. Trashy, if you prefer. :) In regular circumstances my hand wouldn't close around the thing that is not mine - that is all to it. But if somebody would put a gun to my head, or lock somebody dear to me in the cage starve to death - I would try to steal, if that would be a demand. But remember - "one feels incredulity at the first breaking of habit, but horror at the violation of principle".
What is missing form SGA on every turn - is that horror. And why it would be there, if it was not a principle that was violated, but mere habit? That's the difference between normal and not - was (insert word here) the principle or habit?
They hate themselves for it - that is exactly what I was talking about. Show it. This is not 'Karamazov brothers', where it's a part of the plan - show (and study) little, miserable, slimy characters, this is PG-13 movie - so show it! Show the remorse, the change of thought, 'I can't do it!', 'over my dead body!', something! (think of Dr. Fraiser on Carson's place - you'll see it too.)
What was the example? "Tell me what I want to know or I will hurt you"? Remember Starbuck in 'Poisoning the well' situation? (For she is Sheppard's analog, not Lee, like someone might think). What she did? Remember? Yes, she tortured that damned Cylon for (what was the timeline? 48 h?), say, two days. And Madam President put him out of the airlock. But remember her hand against the airlock wall, her 'Lords of Kobol, hear my prayer. I don't know if he had a soul or not but, if he did, take care of it'? Remember? It took what? One minute of movie time? But one can immediately see that it's the person on the other end, not a pile of slimy rotten cruel trash. One minute - but how much does it mean... I don't know how to explain. :(
I'm not talking 'good' or 'bad' - for definitions of those are pretty obscure. Remember - 'students of history learn that the human being is a very complicated contraption and they are not good or bad but are good and bad and the good comes out of bad and the bad out of good, and the devil take the hindmost'. :)
I'm not longing for 'good' in that movie - but for big. One character that would behave normally. One character I would be able to stay with in the same building. One character abut whom I could say - that is the member of my family speaking! Is it too much to ask? Is it?
SG1 had Dr. Fraiser, and Daniel, and Sam, and General Hammond. And even Jack, who should be burned out shell full of ashes - he was a person. Not a good one per se, but big.
One thing is for sure - one can't 'practice ethics'. (Well, you can practice with booklet of 'FDA ethics' - but that is mostly about whom you can consult, or what stocks you can't buy). *laughs hysterically*
If by the age of 40 person doesn't have normal (regular) 'ethics' - no practice would... how to tell it? Put them in? *he-he-he*
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Date: 2006-08-18 09:43 pm (UTC)________________________________________
Well, I guess I'm weird. Morals are not discussed in my family. That's why watching SGA I often can only wave my hands and open and close my mouth silently - I can't put the obvious in words. :) (Why wouldn't you read somebody's letter? Because it's somebody's? - dead circle!)
I never heard any member of my family saying... 'stealing is bad'. In my family it's not bad - it's insane. Trashy, if you prefer. :) In regular circumstances my hand wouldn't close around the thing that is not mine - that is all to it. But if somebody would put a gun to my head, or lock somebody dear to me in the cage starve to death - I would try to steal, if that would be a demand. But remember - "one feels incredulity at the first breaking of habit, but horror at the violation of principle".
What is missing form SGA on every turn - is that horror. And why it would be there, if it was not a principle that was violated, but mere habit? That's the difference between normal and not - was (insert word here) the principle or habit?
They hate themselves for it - that is exactly what I was talking about. Show it. This is not 'Karamazov brothers', where it's a part of the plan - show (and study) little, miserable, slimy characters, this is PG-13 movie - so show it! Show the remorse, the change of thought, 'I can't do it!', 'over my dead body!', something! (think of Dr. Fraiser on Carson's place - you'll see it too.)
What was the example? "Tell me what I want to know or I will hurt you"? Remember Starbuck in 'Poisoning the well' situation? (For she is Sheppard's analog, not Lee, like someone might think). What she did? Remember? Yes, she tortured that damned Cylon for (what was the timeline? 48 h?), say, two days. And Madam President put him out of the airlock. But remember her hand against the airlock wall, her 'Lords of Kobol, hear my prayer. I don't know if he had a soul or not but, if he did, take care of it'? Remember? It took what? One minute of movie time? But one can immediately see that it's the person on the other end, not a pile of slimy rotten cruel trash. One minute - but how much does it mean... I don't know how to explain. :(
I'm not talking 'good' or 'bad' - for definitions of those are pretty obscure. Remember - 'students of history learn that the human being is a very complicated contraption and they are not good or bad but are good and bad and the good comes out of bad and the bad out of good, and the devil take the hindmost'. :)
I'm not longing for 'good' in that movie - but for big. One character that would behave normally. One character I would be able to stay with in the same building. One character abut whom I could say - that is the member of my family speaking! Is it too much to ask? Is it?
SG1 had Dr. Fraiser, and Daniel, and Sam, and General Hammond. And even Jack, who should be burned out shell full of ashes - he was a person. Not a good one per se, but big.
One thing is for sure - one can't 'practice ethics'. (Well, you can practice with booklet of 'FDA ethics' - but that is mostly about whom you can consult, or what stocks you can't buy). *laughs hysterically*
If by the age of 40 person doesn't have normal (regular) 'ethics' - no practice would... how to tell it? Put them in? *he-he-he*